Help me: i was caught illegally downloading in Germany

We all have our reasons to turn to illegal download in Germany. For some it’s about binge-watching the latest HBO hit series, for others it’s about getting their hands first on the latest Coldplay album. Some even want to get their hands on a rare 1991 version of the Star-Wars trilogy. Whatever it is, you might have gotten away with it in your home country. However, illegally downloading copyrighted content in Germany is severely  condemned by law and is frequently enforced by private law firms who send cease and desist letters.

If you are reading those lines, you are probably holding an Abmahnung letter from a German lawyer asking you to pay a hefty fine because you were caught in the act. I will ask you not to panic and will reply to the many questions you have right now.

Warning letter illegal file sharing germany

Here is everything you want to know on how to respond to a warning letter for illegally downloading copyrighted content in Germany.

Illegal download of copyrighted material in Germany, the basic stuff

What am really guilty of ?

German laws concerning file-sharing are pretty strict and clearly condemn any kind of file sharing activity related to copyrighted content. While both download and upload are condemned by law, it’s really in reality the uploading part of the process that will be rewarded with a warning letter. Using services like torrent clients makes you automatically share the file you are downloading. This is why torrent and other P2P clients users receive a lot of letters from German lawyers.

Since April 2017, users of illegal streaming services (also broadcasting of live events) can also get in trouble because of a decision from the European Court of Justice. It established (here) that users of such services are indeed acting unlawfully. However, unlike P2P, it’s very difficult to identify users of such platforms as IP adresses are often not stored by these platforms in the long-term, making the enforcement unlikely. Only premium users can easily identified.

On the document, you might see a reference to the set of laws dealing with copyright infringement in Germany; Urheberrechtsgesetz” or “UrhG”. The article making it illegal is § 19a UrhG.

Who is responsible and who should pay?

German courts have stated that the owner of the internet access is in theory responsible for any wrong-doings happening on that network. They are responsible for securing it so other people don’t use it to download copyrighted content in Germany. This might bring up tensions if you are living in a WG and it’s not your name on the internet provider’s contract. In that case, the owner can “discharge” the fault onto the real culprit to be cleared of all charges if necessary.

How did they could identify me and find my address?

Those German law firms sending warning letters usually hire specialized third-party services that are scanning P2P nodes and clients, recording IP adresses that are currently downloading illegally in Germany. They are then authorized by law to ask your internet provider to disclose any information linked to that IP adress. This is how they obtained your private details.

Again, this is why law enforcement is really much more difficult to apply for illegal streaming services users. IP adresses are not stored on servers on the long-run and if the police should request a list, it’s only after a considerable amount of time. Beware however premium users; if you are paying a fee on one of those platforms, your IP will definitely be stored on the server, thereby increasing the risks of getting caught.

If you want to protect your traffic and use all services privately, you can get a VPN that will hide everything from anyone else. You can use NordVPN for example, which often considered one of the bests out there, especially since streaming works well with it and you connect up to 6 devices with one account (switch to English in the footer if needed).

Do they really have the right to fine me so much? Can it really go to court?

There is no clear set of rules that puts a figure on the fine you have received. It might be 900€ per illegally downloaded song in Germany or 2000€ for downloading a movie in Germany. The figure is entirely up to them. We will see later how it is possible to bargain it down a little. Although they do threaten to take this to court, it’s relatively quite rare it happens. It mostly an argument to scare you into paying fast and without asking any questions.

However, make sure to see the difference between the different fees mentioned in this document. There are fees for sending you this Abmahnung, the contract penalty & the fine mentioned as repair for their clients. Also note that a law passed in 2013 should limit Abmahnung and legal claim fees to 150€ & 450€ respectively.

Offense repairs on streaming cases are much lower, making it less profitable for law firms to pursue; legal claim fees remain the same as for P2P cases but the fine per film can only be 5 to 10€.

Is this a real German law firm and not a scam? Do they really work with the copyright holders?

Now this is a little tricky because it is true that some scam letters (e.g from non-existing “Kroner & Kollegen” law firm) have been sent around and they are not entitled to represent the copyright holder. However, most often than not, the warning letter for illegally downloading copyrighted content is a real one coming from a real law firm who represents company like Viacom, Sony, 20th Century Fox, etc.

Here are some law firms sending cease and desist letters in Germany (hat-tip to
Auffenberg, Petzhold, Witte; Baumgarten & Brandt; Bindhart , Fiedler, Zerbe; CSR; Daniel Sebastian; Denecke Haxthausen & Partner; Fareds; Johannes Rübenach; Kornmeier & Patner; Lihl; Lutz Schroeder; Marcus Meier; Marko Schiek; Negele; Nümann und Lang; Paulus; Philipp Marquort; Rainer Munderloh; Rasch; Reichelt, Klute, Aßmann; Sasse und Patner; Schalast & Patner; Scheuermann,Westerhoff, Strittmatter; Schutt, Waetke; SKW Schwarz; U+C; Vahrenwald & Kretschmer; Waldorf Frommer; WeSaveYourCopyrights; Winterstein; Zimmermann & Decker.

Rule number 1: Don’t panic and don’t send anything back

What is this “Unterlassungserklärung” document and what should i do with it?

Together with the warning letter establishing your identity and the content, there is another document called “Unterlassungserklärung”. This is the German equivalent to a cease and desist letter that the law firm wants you to sign to prove that you recognize yourself to be guilty of the accusations. Do not sign this document and do not send it back! By doing so, you would give more legal ground against you and would have to pay.

Cease and desist letter file sharing germany
Cease and desist letter for Downloading Deadpool (source:

Now tell me what can i do about this warning letter

There are different courses of action you can take at this point and i guess it depends on how bold you are and how good you are dealing with a possibly nerve-racking situation.

1- Pay-up right away

Let’s be honest now: those letters are an attempt at scaring you off and pressuring you into paying the full amount. This is even more impressive for a foreigner that doesn’t understand German completely. You shouldn’t panic and pay-up without asking any questions as there is room for negotiation. After all, you have to remember that it is not the government sending you those letters; the fine hasn’t been set by law.

2- Do nothing

While curling yourself in a ball and hoping that it will go away might not seem like the mature and adult thing to do, this reaction might still have a few arguments for it. Reacting this way is basically counting on the weaknesses of the system; those German law firms are very busy you see. They send hundred of thousands of warning letters a year to the average Joe for illegally downloading movies in Germany. They know very well that they won’t be able to handle each individual case manually so they might no simply follow-up, should you not reply to their first Abmahnung.

Then again, there is also a good chance that you might be part of the chosen ones for whom it doesn’t go away. If they do follow-up, additional legal fees might occur and it can be enforced. This is a risk you take if you pick this option.

Doing nothing is a viable option but it can back-fire at you

3- Seek legal counselling

They come at you with legal weaponry? It’s then maybe time to gear up with some of your own and get in touch with a lawyer. Judging from the cases i have heard around me and in forums around the internetz, this seems to be a popular option. It’s a good compromise between costs, stress & time spent dealing with a fine for illegal file sharing in Germany. Sure, it’s not cheap but you might in turn save hundreds of euros for negotiating a cheaper fine or even not paying it all.

What a lawyer will do is to send a modified cease and desist letter in your behalf that basically says that you are sorry for what happened but you still don’t recognize that you are guilty and that you won’t do that in the future.

Fees for doing so with German lawyers specialized in copyright infringement cases can vary. It’s really worth it in a lot of cases. 

I wish you good luck in fighting against the odds. I hope this post helped you understand your situation.

Also, if you want to use your internet access as you want, don’t forget you can fully hide your traffic with a good VPN like NordVPN. Considered one of the bests on the market, safe and easy to use, it works well for this kind of use too.

Edit 1: This question was asked many times in the comments:

“I used torrents or streamed this piece of content [insert movie or music here], and i didn’t know about the rules in Germany! What are the chances to be caught and receive a letter?”

Answer: There are no rules defining the probability that you could get caught, and also no way to tell the delay with which you can receive this letter. Only time can tell.

Edit 2: This question was asked many times as well:

“I used another service download content (Gdrive, WeTransfer, some random platform, etc), what are the risks?”

Answer: This post is about torrenting and streaming. I cannot answer about any other means or technologies.

Disclaimer: this post is purely for informative purpose about what to do when caught illegal file sharing in Germany. It doesn’t replace the counselling for a professional attorney. Please make sure you fully understand your situation before taking any action. Better safe than sorry <3 <3 <3.

Sources: 1, 2, 3, 4

Also a big thank you to Oliver from the Frankfurt Expat blog, whose post on the legality of streaming helped me fine tune some details of this article.
If you are living near or around Frankfurt, check his blog out, it’s a good read to discover the city.


  • Reply Tweepadock 13/09/2018 at 13:50

    This article should be made into hoardings and should be displayed everywhere in Germany.
    This article should be handed over to everyone that enters Germany.

    Thanks a lot!

  • Reply JP 09/09/2018 at 01:08

    I received letters like that (2 or 3 I think in the past decade), one was complete bogus, I ignored them all, nothing so far, with the last, they tried again, about almost a year later with another payment order of over 700€ for one movie. Nothing happened. They send them out and many people pay out of fear. In the end, they can’t prove it was you who downloaded it (even if they have your MAC – someone else could have downloaded it, or you could have been hacked)- I guess the costs to rlly check every single offenders case would be too high, they make enough money with just this scare tactic and horrendous fees (also they probably go to court if it’s about more than just a couple of movies and they think they can/are going to get a lot of dough from that person.
    I mean seriously, how likely is it, that someone can pay a few thousand euros with one payment just like that for a stupid fee. (I live in Germany btw)

  • Reply Jeff mtabazi 06/09/2018 at 21:53

    i moved to Germany this summer for a holiday and a friend hosted me. So i was using there interent for almost everything . And i happen to be uaing spotify on my phone for which because its not supported in my home country , qas instead using a vpn. I am not certain if feom our home network i downloead any videos from torent platforms but now my host recieved a letter about the copyright issues and he said they have to pay a lot of money. If this is true i feel guilty so canbthey transfer the case to me? Or what can i do to takw charge?

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 09/09/2018 at 23:06

      Hi Jeff. A lawyer can help you draft a document to transfer the charges on you.

  • Reply George 06/09/2018 at 16:40

    what if i downloaded whatever i want from a restaurant or university wifi?? or if i used vpn?

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 09/09/2018 at 23:05

      Hi George. Please read the post again.

  • Reply Bob 29/08/2018 at 11:08

    Hi Bastien,
    My german friend got a letter about two movies uploading for a couple of seconds and received 2x 700 euro fine. However, the movies were on my laptop and I don’t even live in germany. Now I don’t want him to have the trouble, but i wander if I take responsibility for it, what will happen to the fine, whether my government (dutch) will take legal action? If my MAC adress is not registered in germany, is that a way to avoid the fine?

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 30/08/2018 at 10:26

      Hi Bob. To the best of my knowledge; if you take responsibility, they will come after you, even though you are somewhere else than in Germany. It’s a private law practice, it’s not a government fine. Regarding the MAC address; good thinking but i don’t know.

  • Reply Trevor Belmont 26/08/2018 at 23:06

    This all smells like scheiß because the rules of the European Union are different in that, if you find something on the internet, it’s yours
    However, if you share copyrighted material, you’ll run into trouble.

    I’m clearly no expert on german laws around this but I’d be surprised if they’re different from EU Law.
    Nevertheless, use a VPN client (I use ExpressVPN) and that conceals your identity by acting like an intermediary to the content you wish to download or Torrent. (Requests to the torrent seeders appear to come from the VPN exit node)

  • Reply Jessy 24/08/2018 at 10:50

    Hi. My landlord recently received an Abmahnung from a recogniyed law firm for copyright protection and I couldn’t deny anything from them since they provided us our “own” wifi connection in the apartment. So yes, I’m guilty of what I did. Well, as of now, the case is still ongoing. They helped me together with their lawyer and I think that everything’s going well. I couldn’t say much yet. What concerns me right now is, will I still be caught watching the files already downloaded in the past? But I have already deleted the apps I used to download it. Please help.

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 26/08/2018 at 12:16

      Hey Jessy. Ask the lawyer, but there probably will be a compromise that whatever you pay now you will cover you from any other “infractions” you made in the past, for intellectual property represented by this law firm.

  • Reply Csaba 14/07/2018 at 23:05


    I made a big mistake and forgot about this for two seconds. Just enough time to download a single song. (Foals – Spanish Sahara) I tried to cancel it which didnt work and deleted it immedietly which wont help me at all, but still: it happened. It was not a torrent download, just a regular mp3 downloading site. How much fine can I except and whats the chance of me receiving a letter for a “marginal” mistake like this? (I’m a foreigner and i used the wifi of my relatives without VPN)

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 17/07/2018 at 09:27

      Hi Csaba. Direct Downloads are not concerned by the above post.

    • Reply SwiftClaw 09/08/2018 at 16:39

      Hi Bastien!
      Not long ago i moved to Germany and out of nowhere they send us a letter saying that we gotta pay 915 euros for watching DeadPool 2 and it said that we downloaded it at 14 PM but my pc wasn’t even on (i reset my pc before i moved to germany).So we replied to them telling them we will not pay and today they send us another letter telling that we gotta pay and the price will be discounted. What should we do?

      • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 14/08/2018 at 22:39

        Hey there. Get a lawyer if you are unsure what to do, or if you are sure it’s a scam, then you know what decision you need to take.

  • Reply Tom 07/07/2018 at 23:47

    I used ‘eagle get’ to dowload a movie . Is it also forbidden ?

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 08/07/2018 at 16:32

      Hi Tom. Using any tool to unlawfully download copyrighted content is forbidden yes. What i can tell you is that direct downloads can’t be tracked the same way as Torrent trackers.

  • Reply fexe995 14/06/2018 at 20:49

    Hi Bastien! Can i get caught for watching movies online, no downloads and no streaming the movie ?

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 22/06/2018 at 14:06

      Hi there. Unfortunately i can’t assist you for anything else than Torrents and streaming. I can’t know every tech outthere you know… Good luck.

  • Reply Carlos 03/06/2018 at 11:43

    Hi Bastien,

    A friend of mine was watching an anime chapter by streaming and by mistake the page downloaded the chapter. Do
    you know how likely it is that they will catch him?

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 04/06/2018 at 19:07

      Hi there. Impossible for me to know.

    • Reply dany 26/07/2018 at 17:36

      did they got him?

  • Reply Timothy 03/06/2018 at 10:47

    Hi I have a question. I’m currently about to sign working contracts in Germany. I’ve decided to go to a lawyer for advice but unsure if this will affect my stay in Germany. FYI I’m from South Africa where no one cares about file sharing… As a foreigner does this whole thing go on some kind of record, and could this effect future visa applications? I feel like such an idiot…

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 04/06/2018 at 19:07

      Hi Timothy. You will have to check with the kind of visa you are applying for. I think infringement like this is a small offense and is unlikely to affect your application. It doesn’t create a criminal record on you.

  • Reply Loïc G. 30/05/2018 at 10:19

    Hello Bastien,
    I just received a letter from waldorf & frommer for a movie I watched on P2P streaming.
    The fee is 915€ but I’m in a particular situation: I’m planning on leaving Germany in 1 or 2 months. Considering the situation and the price I’m highly considering the action of doing nothing, once I left germany, knowing that the bank account linked to the internet connection will be closed, the internet connection too and the address not on my name anymore, am I still on risks or can I lose them by leaving ?

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 31/05/2018 at 16:14

      Hi Loic. I think you understand your situation and the risks you are taking. There is no way to measure how successful this can be…

    • Reply Mike 23/01/2019 at 18:12

      Hey Loïc, can you tell me what happend next ?

  • Reply Tushar Kumar 29/05/2018 at 16:14

    Hi, Internet connection is on my name but somebody else, who is staying there did the download. Even then i got the letter for Waldorf Rommer for downloads in internet.

    What do i do in this case. Please help.

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 29/05/2018 at 22:02

      Hi there. As mentioned in the post, you can uncharge the fault onto this person instead of you.

  • Reply Marian 28/05/2018 at 14:59

    Hello Bastien , my question is , if i watch online movies is that illegal and i also got a fine for 915 euro 🙁 for only 2 min of download don;t you think is too much for only 2 min of donwloading ?

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 29/05/2018 at 22:15

      Hi Marian. Even 2 seconds is copyright infringement. Download/Upload time is a not a relevant dimension here.

  • Reply Jaime Reyes 24/05/2018 at 10:40

    Hi Bastien. I found that your article is really helpful. Recently, my friend just download a video of japan variety shows (not a film) using a openload server. By using openload server not using torrent to download the shows will the law firm can fine my friend? And based on what the law firm can fine my friend if the shows itself allow international fans to download and distribute it by subbing it for the international fans can see it? Thanks

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 29/05/2018 at 22:29

      Hi Jaime. You can answer you own question; if torrent, there is a chance to get caught. If direct download, then there is no change to get caught. As for the rest, my legal expertise can’t answer that question.

  • Reply MJ 19/05/2018 at 07:40

    Hi. I want to ask if is it okay to stream/download a foreign variety shows (Korean variety shows)? the show itself is gain an international popularity because of the fans subbed the shows and spread it in the internet so the others can understand when they are watch it. As far as I know the show itself admit that they have an international fans more than the domestic fans and it seems they are okay with the subbing thingso the international fans can keep watching they’re shows. I notice from the comments that there are some fans from germany as well. The germany didnt air this tv show so the germany fans must be stream or download it. Thanks

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 20/05/2018 at 19:54

      Hi MJ. Its still illegal to download/stream copyrighted content.

  • Reply Luke 09/05/2018 at 14:44

    Hi Bastien

    We received one of these letters ordering us to pay just under €2k euros for two films. My girlfriend is the one whose name is on the fine but the IP address used and stated on the letter is mine. Can she use this as evidence to prove her innocence?

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 15/05/2018 at 21:34

      Hi Luke. You can take over the responsibility for the penalty, if that’s what you mean/want?

  • Reply Belva 02/05/2018 at 11:25

    Hi Bastien! I know this post is about movies and music. But my concern is more about downloading guitar tabs (music sheet) for the Guitar Pro application. I’m not sure if that’s illegal or not, because generally, music sheets are not for sale in stores as far as I know. Maybe you can enlighten me?

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 03/05/2018 at 22:14

      Hi Belva. I haven’t used GP in a long time so i can really tell you about this. If you usually need to pay for them, then yes, it’s probably illegal. Unless there is an open-source/free source of tabs outthere.

  • Reply Steve 27/04/2018 at 19:56

    Hi Bastien
    so i got more than one letter about this for opening torrent for literally 2 sec not more
    its been almost 2 years and they are still sending letters about it should i be worried that it might go to court or should i just keep ignoring it
    thanks btw for the article it really give me some closure

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 30/04/2018 at 09:14

      Hi Steve. As mentioned in the post, it can go both ways. They can either stop the chase or you can be part of the unlucky ones that they can actually sue. It’s rare but it can happen.

  • Reply ixme 24/04/2018 at 01:37

    This article clearly lacks some knowledge about this issue. The 4th and most rational option is clearly to send a “modifyed Unterlassungserklärung”. It minimizes the risk of further persuasion by the law firm, has almost no expenses, and fights of the immediate claim of the Abmahnung. For the last reason it’s clearly better than not acting because it gives them legal advantages. And if the law firm is more persiverent than in most cases you can still get legal advice or pay later. There are entire (german) forums dedicated to this, and prewritten, legally reliable prewritten documents where you only need to fill in your name, adress and the song/movie that they claim you downloaded. It needs to be modified because the Unterlassungserklärung they send you has an admission of guilt. But also when they abmahn you you kind of have to reply… anyways… maybe it’s hard for non english speakers to learn (and also germans who don’t do extended research about it)

  • Reply Z 13/04/2018 at 12:05

    Hi Bastien, hi all,
    I used Stremio and received a letter for 620euros for just one episode.
    I went on some websites, some say the limitation period (verjähren) for the claim is 3 years. Does it mean that if I don’t do anything about this letter for the three next years, then nothing will happen to me and the won’t be able to do anything about it? (And in the worst case go to court, IF they go until there)
    Moreover, I will leave Germany in about 4months, then the best choice seems to do nothing, right? No answer, no payment, nothing.
    Thanks for your article and answers.

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 16/04/2018 at 08:49

      Hi Z. I have not personally heard of this, maybe you have a source to communicate to us? Regarding what you should do, it seems that you all elements in hand to make a decision. I am no lawyer, only a dude giving some guidance. Sorry.

  • Reply Fara 10/04/2018 at 19:42

    Some friends and I stayed at an Air BnB at Berlin for a short holiday, one of us had a laptop with us which has been used to torrent TV shows. We got a message from our host telling us about the fine. However, the laptop owner had no idea that the TV shows were being seeded as they downloaded the torrents quite some time ago (in their home country) and forgot about them. Plus we are students with no steady source of income. Would telling the law firm that we had no intention to torrent the TV shows, being unaware that it was being seeded and being students with no steady source of income mean they would be able to negotiate a lower fee?

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 12/04/2018 at 08:44

      Hi Fara. Being unaware of local rules and leaving your client to seed is not considered a receivable excuse. Also the low income bit; i don’t it will really help. But again, maybe it might if you use a lawyer. Good luck!

  • Reply daniel 07/04/2018 at 16:45

    Hi Bastien! I recieved a first letter for a fee of 1050 euro. How much time do I have before my first reply to the firm?
    thank you

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 12/04/2018 at 08:51

      Hi Daniel. There is the theoretical deadline imposed by the firm to reply, as mentioned in the post. However, there is no law enforcing the delay with which you should reply to it. It’s just a mean for pressure.

  • Reply Sava 29/03/2018 at 14:00

    My friend from Germany got a paper from the law asking her to pay 900 euros for watching a movie on Popcorn Time.
    She has sent them a letter that she didn’t know that it was illegal and that she didn’t know that the movie was downloading into her folder.
    She apologized and asked them to take back the charge and that she still goes to school and she is still a kid etc.
    Is there any chance that she can get away with this?

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 04/04/2018 at 15:07

      Hi Sava. This might be a first step to reduce the penalty but i don’t think it can lead to a drop in charges.

    • Reply Julián 18/06/2018 at 21:15

      Pretty much the same happened to me, but I was on an exchange program instead of living and I already got back. They were going to fine my exchange family but I took on the blame. I’m 15 years old and always download pirated movies back home in Costa Rica, I was uninformed about the piracy law in Germany and my exchange family didn’t warn me about it. I’ll certainly do more research when I travel in the future.

  • Reply kiki 27/03/2018 at 21:34


  • Reply Kris 26/03/2018 at 21:38

    Hi Bastien
    Can i be secure by torrent download in Germany if i use NordVPN or

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 28/03/2018 at 19:29

      Hi Kris. If you correctly use a VPN service to secure your privacy on your internet activity, then it should be fine.

  • Reply Semov 26/03/2018 at 20:42

    Hi Bastien
    if i download films with PIa VPN
    or have one cite in GermanY
    can they found me or not ?

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 28/03/2018 at 19:29

      Hi Semov. I can’t know about every particular setup/solution. sorry.

  • Reply Anja je 26/03/2018 at 19:46

    Is the youtube converter to mp3 lega or illegal? I cannot find anything about it when it comes to German law….
    thank you !

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 28/03/2018 at 19:28

      Hi Anja. Do you own the copyright to that content you are ripping off from youtube? If no, then yes, it’s illegal.

  • Reply Lyca 26/03/2018 at 03:47

    I use soulseek withou VPN or nothing…just for download and not upload! And use sites to download softwares (not from torrent)…
    There is any problem?

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 28/03/2018 at 19:24

      I don’t know what soulseek is. Is it a torrent client? If yes, then the advice above applies.

  • Reply pinar gunver 08/03/2018 at 14:52

    Hi Bastien, I’ve used accidentally a torrent program without knowing that it’s illegal when I stayed in Berlin with Airbnb. My homeowner said kindly today that they received that letter and I should pay 600 € for it even this is their own internet access. But in fact, I turned back my country, I am in Turkey already. So, all in this situation, I believe that they should have needed to warn me about this strict laws. So, what if I would not pay for it? Do you have any advice for me? What happens when you’re only a tourist who visited Germany?

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 09/03/2018 at 09:41

      Hi there. You are wrong to think that you should have had a warning about this. You can still be hold liable for your action, even if you are only a tourist.

  • Reply Kris 05/03/2018 at 20:48

    Hello, I have received a letter again after 2 years. My flatmate at the time admitted fault and was supposed to sort it out, but of course didn’t (I was travelling at the time so I forgot about it), now I have received 2 more letters – I have facebook convos proving he said he did it. I also have proof I subscribe to netflix and buy all my movies on itunes. Now, I am not the kind of person to take things laying down and I am pretty angry that I am being wrongly accused of something that is completely out of my character. What are my options to counter-sue for slander and damages caused, and to foot the bill for me to pay for a lawyer and send them a message of don’t fuck with me. I don’t care how much this would cost… I would go all the way to prove this point. Alternatively is there a way I can wait as long as possible to cause them as much administration as possible. I don’t want to cave to bullies. I want to know how I can send back a bit of their bad energy.

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 07/03/2018 at 17:29

      Hi Kris. Only a lawyer can channel that energy and direct you to the right solution i’m afraid.

  • Reply Seddd 02/03/2018 at 20:01

    Hi bastien,
    I have downloaded many movies in Germany and now i am not in germany and they send to my home in Germany a letter to pay 900 euros only for one of the movies which I downloaded, If i pay it then will they send another one because i have downloaded 70 movies. What should i do please help me

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 04/03/2018 at 13:11

      Hi Sedd. I cannot tell you what to do. This post helps you make a more informed decision about what to do next.

  • Reply Jon 02/03/2018 at 16:34

    I recently installed Acestream and watched a live SKY UK football game – am I likely to get a fine for doing so ?
    Are live football games also copyrighted ?

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 04/03/2018 at 13:10

      Hi Jon. This practice would be considered streaming. Refer to the content of the post about streaming.

  • Reply Alma 26/02/2018 at 10:08

    Hi Bastian,

    I just recently arrived in Germany from africa and had bit torrent open for a minute. My downloads were all stopped but it was only open for 3 minutes.
    If i downloaded and stopped my downloads overseas will they send me warning letter for all the movies i had downloaded (partially) there?


    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 27/02/2018 at 09:18

      Hi Alma. Yes, it is possible.

    • Reply Amina 10/03/2018 at 12:23

      Alma, That happened to me, I came from Bosnia, and when I opened my laptop here in Germany, torrent opened and accidentaly seeded a movie I had downloaded in Bosnia. It was opened for a minute only, (they sent me time 22:20-22:21) and I’ve got 915€ to pay I feel awful, because it came to my sisters adress, so now she has to pay.

      • Reply Andreia 11/05/2018 at 13:03

        It happened to us the exact same thing and it was not even a minute. We are seeking for legal advice and, at the same time, see if it’s a good idea to send an extension time letter. D:

  • Reply Moses 25/02/2018 at 16:38

    Hello Bastian
    Please I need to understand my situations. I downloaded euro truck simulator 2 using torrents about 6 times on the same week as some didn’t function. Now I got a letter already to pay 850€. Please will I be fined for each of the different downloads of the same game?

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 26/02/2018 at 08:40

      Hi Moses. Hard to say, it’s possible yes.

  • Reply Andy 16/02/2018 at 10:57

    Hello Bastian.
    I visited some friends in Germany and watched about 20 movies on Popcorn.
    The got a letter with a 600 fine for tow movies. Do you believe they will scan the whole IP server history or they can’t catch it all. Thank you.

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 17/02/2018 at 11:03

      HI Andy. It’s possible you receive more letter for other offenses yes.

    • Reply Bárbara Marcos Morgado 15/03/2018 at 13:16

      Hi Andy,
      I did the same.. Can you tell me if you got more lettlers besides the first?
      I’m trying to find out what will happen to me.. Thank you

  • Reply HARRY 16/02/2018 at 10:54

    Hey Bastien!

    Thanks for the article above, a big help on softening the blow to anyone receiving these letters. I have moved to Berlin from UK where it is pretty normal to use and download torrents. Would you have alternatives, that would be more safe. I have read of downloading from open directories on Reddit for example. Would this be “safer” at all?

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 17/02/2018 at 11:02

      Hi Harry. Sorry, i can’t give you any alternatives, this post is about what to do when you receive a letter, not really on how to find alternative solutions.

  • Reply haz 15/02/2018 at 10:40

    Hi, I had a question regarding torrenting.
    Well I don’t usually torrent anything other than sometimes maybe games but other than that I don’t torrent movies or music until recently I tried torrenting some albums but then I always cancelled the uploading/seeding if I’m not mistaking. Anyway I received a letter saying that I made Blabla Songs available for everyone to download (uploaded) basically.
    Well first off I never uploaded any song and second I don’t even recognize the song names because I don’t even listen to such artists and I checked my torrent list too and there was nothing there. The other thing is that I only downloaded songs or just albums the letter that I got says I downloaded something like “the best of Blabla” so some kind of playlist or whatever. So at this point I don’t find myself guilty for THOSE actions and I don’t know to handle this situation. I would really appreciate it if you could help me out with this.

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 15/02/2018 at 22:36

      Hi Haz. IF you think you aren’t guilty for anything they wrote about, it’s also a valid defense strategy. You should be just be sure about it. 🙂

  • Reply M 11/02/2018 at 20:58

    Hi Bastian,

    I have used Stremio program for watching a movie and then my friend told me it is probably illegal to watch a movie using this program. Can you please tell me is it illegal or not?


    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 12/02/2018 at 08:38

      Hi Milan. Is it providing copyrighted content illegally? If so, then yes.

  • Reply Miladin 10/02/2018 at 16:53

    no one said after having hired a lawyer how he had solved his problems and whether other letters would come to him in the future

  • Reply Sandra 06/02/2018 at 01:27

    I was wondering. My boyfriend is in Germany at the moment studying at a university there. He downloaded a bunch of movies and songs from TPB using the university’s network (edorom) he said. He is a little worried now that he did that. In North Africa it’sokay if you download from TPB.
    could the university send him a warning letter? Would he receive a letter from a law firm?
    Thanks for your reply I’m eager to know myself.

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 06/02/2018 at 21:54

      Hi Sandra. Yes, as mentioned in the post, he can indeed receive a letter. The university would need to identify the person who did that though.

  • Reply safwat 04/02/2018 at 16:29

    hi can i download TV show via goggle drive? these episodes are uploaded into goggle drive from my home country. is it possible for them to catch

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 06/02/2018 at 21:05

      HI there. This post is only about Torrent and streaming, not direct downloads.

  • Reply Ivan 04/02/2018 at 12:24

    Hi Bastien,
    I have downloaded a movie in another country and when I came to Germany I saw that I had forgotten to remove it from my Utorrent list. According to Utorrent I have seeded about 50MB (of a 1.5 GB movie) before I stopped it. Is this enough for them to catch me at all?

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 06/02/2018 at 21:04

      Hi Ivan. There is no way for me to tell. In theory yes.

  • Reply Patricie 31/01/2018 at 14:21

    Hi Bastient,
    as many unaware foreigns, my WG apartment also received the letter from Waldorf Frommer and we are currently seeking legal help.
    But there are so many companies, seems like there is a new entire business just for defending against these particular cases.

    Can you recommend me which company should we choose, to not overpay for hundreds of euros but also to go with someone successful?

    Or maybe someone has this unlucky experience already, and would like to recommend a good company to defend ourselves?

    Thank you and feel free to PM me!

    Patricie Pelikovska FB
    [email protected]

  • Reply Alice 30/01/2018 at 18:00

    Hello! I’m a student using eduroam and streamed earlier today an old film via putlocker. I didn’t realize that using putlocker might be considered as piracy, but I’m not a premium user of that website either (actually this is my first time clicking into that site). How high is my risk of being fined for this? Thanks >.<

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 01/02/2018 at 19:33

      Hi Alice. I believe putlocker is a streaming website. Refer to the corresponding info in the post.

  • Reply Christian 28/01/2018 at 09:03

    Hi Bastie, is it legal to download disney movies on torrent?

    • Reply Christian 28/01/2018 at 09:06

      And is video downloadgelper legal to download with?

      • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 29/01/2018 at 22:36

        Hi Christian. Is it illegal to use the sofware? Probably not in my opinion.

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 29/01/2018 at 22:35

      Hi Christian. No.

  • Reply Alessandro 27/01/2018 at 17:38

    I used a VPN with switzerland IP to torrent a movie. I regret it now. What are my chances of getting caught?

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 29/01/2018 at 22:34

      Hi Alessandro, the IP you used on the torrent tracker was the VPN’s IP adress, not yours.

  • Reply Ilya 27/01/2018 at 06:45

    Hello Bastian.
    I use VPN for torrenting. My VPN server is located in Germany. But I am located in another country (non-EU). Is it possible that I still receive such letters?

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 27/01/2018 at 10:04

      Hi Ilya, if you are using a VPN, by definition, your IP is hidden behing the VPN’s.

      • Reply Ilya 03/02/2018 at 09:00

        No, I have a different situation. I rent a server in Germany with my credit card and the server hosting provider knows my name, address etc. I install VPN software on that server and use it. Nobody except me uses this server and this IP address. So if I download a torrent I do it through a German IP and this IP is connected to me because I am the only person who uses it. Can German lawyers contact the hosting provider, ask for my address and send me those letters even if I’m outside Germany and even EU?

        • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 05/02/2018 at 20:24

          Hi Ilya. It is possible? yes. Is it likely? you would be very unlucky. Only time can tell.

  • Reply Jazzie 27/01/2018 at 00:13

    Hi Bastien! Could you please throw some light on rules regarding streaming on public wifi connections such as at McD, Railway stations, etc. By using softwares such as Link Liars, the IP would be disguised. Are the risks still the same as streaming over a home internet connection?

    • Reply Bastien - Settle in Berlin 27/01/2018 at 10:05

      Hi Jazzie, if you stream over a public network, it’s this network’s IP that will be visible.

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